Vegan Products (Not Food Related)

A small known fact that I rarely promote is being a vegetarian.  Often met with condescension from meat eaters and vegans, this life choice is one I made a little under a year ago after dropping red meat from my diet over two years ago and eventually white meat. 

And yes, it was an ethical choice. I wouldn't eat my dogs, so why would I eat any other animal?

Furthermore, if I'm not going to eat animals I don't feel comfortable wearing their skin. 

So, without further delving deep into dietary preference or having another vegan get angry for not being "fully committed and therefore still a 'bloodmouth'", here is a list of items that I switched over to when I stopped using bits of dead animal in my everyday life. 



Vans Authentic
Materials: Canvas and rubber.
Available at: The Iconic 

Promoted by Vans as a vegan shoe. 

Dr Martens Tract Fold Boots
Materials: Synthetic, canvas and rubber.
(Dr Marten also do a full vegan range of footwear, but I prefer these)
Available at: ASOS

Dress Shoes from Target (Various)
Materials: Synthetic leather
Available at: Target

This changes with the season, but Target usually offers a fully synthetic dress shoe. Even if this is hideous tan you get the idea. 


Herschel Supply Co. WALT
Materials: Canvas and metal (take the leather pull tab off the zipper - throw it in the bin)
Available at: Google it

Herschel have a ton of other options that don't use leather. Find one that suits your needs.


H&M Padded Jacket
Materials: 100% Polyester
Available at: H&M

This is a tricky one. No it doesn't provide the same warmth as down, but it's called a sweater. Put it underneath and you'll be fine. 

If you're filthy rich, buy one from SAVE THE DUCK


Canvas D-Ring Belt
Materials: Canvas and metal
Available at: eBay

Need a belt for more formal/professional environments?
KMART! All of their belts are made of polyurethane and cost around $10. Durability is ok too. 


Casio G-Shock
Materials: Various
Available at: Google it

Not really applicable, but the point is you don't need a leather watch band.

There are a lot of options available, but these are ones I chose.

Here are links to Australian manufacturers who promote ethical ranges:

I will do another post like this on Motorcycle Gear that doesn't use leather.  This topic is highly contentious as leather is considered to be the safest option for riding (and sliding), but I've managed to buy all non-animal products for gear. 

Podcasts I Listen To

For a long time Australian comedian Wil Anderson had blocked me on Twitter. I don't know why.  I very rarely put anything on there and when I do it usually isn't of much value or enough to offend enough to justify blocking my account.  But that's ok, I was still a fan. 

Late in 2015 I noticed that I could see his tweets again, and I was able to follow with out issue.  Not sure if he got a new account, but I could finally enjoy his 'topical dick jokes' once again.

I noticed a few of his tweets linking to his podcasts, so one day I decided to download an episode of his 'Wilosophy' podcast with guest John Safran.  I then proceeded to download every single episode and slowly but surely work my way through them. It's great, you should listen to them too: Wilosophy with Wil Anderson

I now have an addiction for a free education through conversation.

 Stole all of these off Google images. All Copyrights belong to their respective owner.

Stole all of these off Google images. All Copyrights belong to their respective owner.

Being a person with too many interests, here are a bunch of diverse podcasts I also listen to (all iTunes links, but can be found elsewhere): 
Download This Show with Marc Fennell (Technology/Media podcast)
Oblivious Maximus with Aaron Osbourne (Music podcast)
2 Guys 1 Cup with Wil Anderson and Charlie Clausen (AFL Podcast)
The Howie Games with Mark Howard (Sport podcast)
WTF with Marc Maron
The Osher Günsberg Podcast with Osher Günsberg
Vegan Hate Squad presents Unapologetically Vegan Podcast
(shameless plug for my brother)

I still don't know how it took so long to get on the Podcast listening train.

Got a suggestion? Send it through


Melbourne Marathon 2016

The story of what lead me to running 42.2km for 'fun'

10th of January 2016:

I complete my first Triathlon.  It was a 700metre swim, 26km cycle and 5 km run, commonly known a 'sprint' distance.  I did it off one month's training, which included swimming for fitness for the first time ever (Thanks to YouTube for being my coach).  

I wasn't happy with how it went.  I got a big stitch during the run.
So on the 12th of January I went for a 15km run.  
I wasn't happy with how that went, I could have kept going.
So on the 14th of January I went for a 22km run. 
This was the first time I completed a half-marathon distance. 

 Nike+ Running Data. 

Nike+ Running Data. 

30th of June 2016:
I decide to sign up for the Half-Marathon distance at the Melbourne Marathon Festival.  I do so with a confidence that I have run the distance before, and that I won't need to train as hard because I've already mentally crossed the line.  Ideally I will get this out of the way and then do the full marathon in 2017. 

13th of October 2016:
It's three days out for the event and my body is ready for the 21.1km event. In fact, I'm so ready I feel as though I can run through a brick wall.  This rush of blood to the head is probably not a great thing, because by 11am I have withdrawn from the Half-Marathon and entered into the full 42.2km event despite going against everything I have read and advice I have taken about the difference between a half and full marathon.  Keep in mind, the furthest distance I have ever run was on 14/1/16 and was 22km.  My longest training run for the half-marathon was 16km. 

16th of October:
It's the big day and I'm not at all nervous.  Yet to run through a brick wall, but the feeling is still there.  It's 4am and I am driving from Ballarat to Melbourne.  I arrive at the MCG on time, and make my way to the bag drop.

As I am looking around the carpark I realise that I am 100% not ready for what I am about to do. Every one here is about 5-20kg lighter and have really nice shoes on.  I do one last check to make sure I have everything before walking to the start line.

There is a lot of people already standing around, as well as a ton of garments, water bottles, food scraps and energy gels that have been tossed to the side of the road.  I'm about 400m back from the start line, so when the gun goes off it is about one minute before I even move.  It's like a train at rush hour.  The pack is so dense that I can hardly go any faster than a light jog for the first 2km. 

Then it breaks a part, and there is room to move. Skip the next 19km.  

I'm coming up Beach Road after fighting a head wind for a large part of the event, but can now see the 21.1km / "You're Halfway There" signs.  I'm 1hour 55minutes 53seconds down and feel pretty solid.  Skip to kilometre 26.

 Somewhere around halfway. I look thrilled. 

Somewhere around halfway. I look thrilled. 

Ok. The last 5km has taken me over 30 minutes and my knees are starting to hurt.  Mentally I'm sound, but the legs are starting to feel heavy.  Skip to kilometre 30.

Drink Stop. I slow to a walk and feel a crack in my left foot.  As if I had dropped something heavy on it.  Then the cramp comes.  I start to jog again.  

I remember the words of the great Rob DeCastella:
"If you feel bad at 10 miles, you're in trouble.  If you feel bad at 20 miles, you're normal.  If you don't feel bad at 26 miles, you're abnormal"

I'm just under that 20 mile (32km) mark, and I have found trouble.  There is no appropriate adjective to describe how I moved for the next 6km.  It was a cross between a waddle/hop/shunt/shuffle. I stopped a number of times to stretch and try get back to a pace.  Still, I'm mentally fine but getting frustrated at my legs.  I refuse to acknowledge that I didn't train for this distance, and that if I want to run a marathon then my body will obey. 

It's kilometre 38, and the second last drink stop.  I grab a cup of orange energy drink and a cup of water and take a minute to find out where my body will stop functioning, so I can join the other poor runners who are lying on the side of the roads being receiving medical attention. 

As I begin the final leg of the event, I feel a sensation that leaves me in tears for the next 2 kilometres, but feeling no pain whatsoever.  It sends chills down my spine and rushes of adrenaline through my body that I doubt I will feel until I next deplete my body of energy.  I run, without stopping or struggling, to the finish line.  

For me, the clock stops at 4hours 28minutes 33seconds

5 minutes later I'm lying against the wall of a carpark beneath the MCG crying like a 2 year old.  
I don't know why.
The next day I turned 25. How poetic.



Nike+ GPS Running Watch and Nike+ Review

The human body was made to run. Sitting is the new smoking. Your brain needs oxygen.

Three basic statements that encapsulate why exercise and movement are important.  Nike has many slogans, but amongst them is 'If you have a body, you are an athlete'.  However, if you have a Nike+ GPS watch, you have a very poor method of tracking your running. And it's not even the watches fault. 

Image: The watch. Same as mine. Comfortable. Colourful. Unsupported by poor software. 

According to Forbes Nike is worth $100.1 Billion (Yes, 100 BILLION DOLLARS).  So it would be fair to assume that they have reasonably good access to new technologies and leading software. Wrong. So very wrong. 

I have a wonderful partner who buys cool stuff for my birthday.  I received the watch for my 23rd birthday and have been using it ever since.  I am training for a half-marathon currently and will then work towards faster times over less kilometres for triathlon season.  I'm no athlete, but I like something to work towards, and with the year being 2016 I would expect that technology can assist with tracking my statistics. Event the basic ones. Distance, Time, Avg. Speed. 

The watch does this. It saves my 50 most recent runs and I can look at the history on the watch. Great. Thanks Nike. But can I please have this saved to my Nike+ Account? 

From, Nike.

Right. Well. Why?
From, Ed

From, Nike.

Ok. So Nike+ software was already pretty average. Often didn't record everything, or the data would be different on computer compared to the watch.  Yes I checked I was doing the right thing. I'm a nerd. I've got this. 

Nike decided to do an upgrade to their software recently, and wowee is it terrible.  The 1-Star rating on the APP store is testament to this.  Syncing failures, app crashing, data not saving, runs not recording, alterations of runs from 6 months ago.  My favourite is apparently I ran a marathon is in 1hour 22minutes on the same day I ran a half-marathon in 1hour 57minutes.  This isn't new data. The update literally changed all of my old runs.
Like I said, terrible.

  Image: Amazing speed by me

Image: Amazing speed by me

 Needless to say I am now saving all of my dollarydoos and investing in a proper Garmin XT920 that will work with Strava (reliable!).  I also found a 3rd party software that transfers data from Nike to Strava (even if it isn't accurate). But for now, it's back to pencil and a notebook to save the data from my watch.  

P.S - Nike pissed me off enough that I went out and bought a pair of Asics. 


Update 5/9/2016
They have seen this:

Steve Wozniak - Melbourne

Whilst walking through the Melbourne CBD, my natural instinct is to watch 2-3 metres in front of my trajectory so I don’t get taken out by some 14 year-old playing Pokémon GO.  For some reason on Wednesday the 27th of July, when I had finished another day of that sweet tertiary education, I decided to be fearless and look wherever my eyes desired.  Truly reckless behaviour.

I am aimlessly gazing at whatever is slightly above my eye-line when I see the face of Steve Wozniak go passed on a tram.  Think Inc. Presents ‘The Woz’ in Australia.   I knew he had an Australian Visa, but wasn’t aware he was doing talks! So I joined all of the other ignorant people who use look down at their phone whilst walking, and left a note to myself; Wozniak Ticket.

Surprisingly there are a lot of tickets left. And a special section for university students at a discount price. Great. 1 ticket please.  Don’t have friends. Don’t care.  I get to hear a talk from one of the great computer engineers and fathers of the personal computer in a months time.

Easy part done.  Month goes by quickly. Now it's Saturday the 27th of August 2016.

Now I've got to catch a train from Ballarat to Melbourne on a Saturday evening. The hard part.

Train runs 20 minutes late, then a poor motorcyclist gets hit by a tram in Flinders Street so there is no public transport going past Flinders Street Station.   It’s 18.12 and the talk starts at 18.30.  Margaret Court Arena is 1.1km from here. Easy walk.

As per usual these things never start on time so I am all sweet.  Unbelievably the auditorium isn’t full.

DrJordan Nguyen comes on stage and introduces himself. Cool. Great. Look, I’m sure at another time I would be interested in his story and what he has accomplished, but I’m here for The Woz so segway him out and let’s goooo.

Woz's entrance onto the stage is slightly premature.  Whilst the intro video is running he casually wanders from behind a curtain and stands in a dark section of the stage.  An appropriate reception follows.

I love that he is dressed like a nerd too. All black except for an expensive pair of fluoro Nikes. Solid.

The next 95 minutes is rapid fire talk with a full body of enthusiasm and accurate recollection.  Steve knows his shit. Well. Really well.

The first 5-10 minutes isn’t easy to concentrate because of the people who feel the need to take photos with the flash on.  Your photo holds no social currency, please wait until the end when the lights go up.

Back to Woz.  He’s starts with stories of his intellect shown from a young age and how he used it for both educational and social advantage.  “A prankster” is what he claimed to be.

His recalls building his first transistor radio from a kit, building processors, The Bluebox, early years of Apple, working for Atari and, of course, Steve Jobs. 

I enjoyed his debunking of myths, especially the idea of two young men starting a company in the garage.  Woz says "No". It was 3 men, Jobs, Woz and Mark Markkula, and it was done in the house.  Woz the engineer, Jobs the visionary/salesman and Markkula the mentor/investor.

From the way he spoke, what he spoke of and his general manner, Wozniak would appear to be a very humble and compassionate man, who is completely undriven by financial gain.  This is highlighted by his story of giving away shares to other early employees of Apple, before their IPO.

Amongst the tech-heavy and incredible brain power that the conversation was centred around, my take away was a very simple one.  Friendship.  Wozniak spoke of the early days of his friendship with Steve Jobs.  When they were young men with similar interests in music and technology, and how those things took a backseat to the bond they had.

"I was happy to just have one friend. Steve Jobs was my best friend."

 Image: Sneaky iPhone photo by me

Image: Sneaky iPhone photo by me

- This video gives some insight into what he spoke about -

- This is also really good -




According to Google Analytics not a single person is yet to read any of my blog posts.  Cool, right? That makes my influence a solid zero. 

Austin Kleon published a book called 'Steal Like An Artist' in which he addresses how to a creative person (or anyone generally speaking) can develop a signature style.

The basic premise is that you take a little bit from each of your influences and use it to create something new.  Steal like an artist by stealing from an artist.  

My influences cover a range of industries and disciplines, and although I don't 'steal' their work, they are people who I look at when I need/have needed a push. Here are a few that I sweat on.  I don't know any of them personally, but from a followers perspective I find them interesting:

Casey Neistat
The first time I heard of him the tag line read 'Video Wizard'. If that is the case, he is Dumbledore & Gandalf rolled into one. Casey is a social juggernaut who continues to remain unique and genuine in a realm that is packed with fabricated and paid promotion. His daily vlog is a testament to is ability to adapt to new projects whilst already dealing with other challenges such as his tech company Beme

His influence over my career has been profound considering he lives in New York and we will probably never meet.  I started doing video because of watching his creations over and over and over again.  Go to his YouTube Channel and arrange the videos to 'Date (Oldest)' and go from there. Here is the introduction I had to him originally: 

Callum Preston
A highly creative yet very humble Melbourne based 'professional person' as his business card states.  I discovered his work through following hardcores bands of which he design a lot of t-shirts, posters and other artwork for.  With social media becoming an obsession (along with me being a hermit), I followed his work via Tumblr and Instagram more closely throughout the past few years and really appreciate his D.I.Y ethos and approach. Through what he has shared I have discovered Casey Neistat, Aaron Draplin, Tom Sachs and a bunch of other really cool people. 

I have been lucky enough to visit his space in Collingwood at the Everfresh Studio, as well as hearing him speak on a few creative panels. In his debut art show he also built a handmade DeLorean:

A video I made at the Everfresh Studio Open Day in 2015 - see Callum's space around the 2.44 mark

Wil Wagner
Solo artist and the lead singer of The Smith Street Band.  One of my favourite singer/songwriters of all time, but more importantly one who can break your heart and make you smile in the same song. 

I recommend his solo work and The Smith Street Band to as many people as possible.  Most come back saying they loved it, some say they don't like his vocals.  Either way, I think he is brilliant and has wonderfully crafted music that has helped me through good and bad days.

Steen Jones
Artist and owner of Few & Far Collective.  Currently the best user of social media in the Australian art scene in terms of be able to make interesting content, collaborating with other creatives and including moments from his adventures.  Steen is proof that hard work pays of.  Having discovered him when One Love Apparel first launched, I have followed his journey to becoming a highly sought after artist who is now snowballing his way around the world. 

See more:
snapchat: steen_jones

Aaron Draplin
Logo and graphic designer, Sole Proprietor of Draplin Design Co.  The man can tell as story and is someone who you would have no trouble holding down a conversation with.  I had the privilege of hearing him speak in Melbourne in 2015, and met him afterwards.  We talked about Warren Ellis and Ballarat. It was great.  His passion and enthusiasm make him easy to like.  Here is the video I saw when I discovered him: 

Michael Clarke
Former Captain of the Australian Cricket team.  As a teenager playing cricket in Country Victoria, I hated Michael Clarke. A lot.  To the point where my under developed adolescent brain made homophobic remarks about his appearance and lifestyle.  Then when he dated Lara Bingle, I became even more savage. 

Then one day when I saw how much everyone else also hated him, I stopped.

In the public eye, he almost change overnight and reinvented himself.  The shaved head, dropped the sponsors, got married, started to pile on runs and lead Australia as a good cricket captain. Sure, some of his off-field choices I thought weren't great (anyone remember the Louis Vuitton Luggage or sponsor deal with BP?), but his demeanour and adjustments made my opinion of him do a 180. 

Long story short, when Phillip Hughes passed I was overseas and home never felt so far away.  The manner in which Clarke handled himself and the situation was phenomenal.  To then play a week later, with a chronic back injury and score what would be his final (and finest) test 100, was a testament to how he should be remembered.  

Below: At the 1:58 minute mark there is a poignant moment where he looks down.  I believe he knew it would be his final test century. This is one of my favourite sporting moments. 

John Safran
Safran doesn't seem to be afraid of much.  He also doesn't back down from confrontation easily. His method of TV and Documentary making is priceless and engaging viewing.  I have watched Music Jamboree, John Safran vs. God and Race Relations multiple times.  The book he penned about a murder in the Southern state of Mississippi, USA is excellent and an interesting perspective of how the events unfolded.  Really looking forward to what he does next (another book I hear?).  As I slowly work towards hopefully making a documentary, I will look to Safran as an example of how to do it. 

This never gets old:

Wil Anderson
Australia Comedian, Podcaster, TV Host. 
For a long time Wil Anderson had me blocked on Twitter. I have no idea why. Most likely I targeted the Bulldogs for beating the Tigers, and made some poor "Richmondy" comment. But now I am able to follow him, and it's been great.  

I have thoroughly enjoyed his Wilosophy podcast, and also the Two Guys, One Cup AFL Podcast alongside Charlie Clausen.  Because I am time poor and watch too many movies, I am yet to get into TOFOP and FOFOP, which are his comedy podcasts. Nonetheless, I find Anderson's perspective to be well-thought and highly progressive, and my humour to be in tune with his jokes.  He also writes an hour of new material per year for his show, which is an unbelievable workload for a guy who also lives in two countries and produces, and hosts, Gruen. I went to my first (and only) comedy show at the 2016 Melbourne International Comedy Festival and saw Fire At Wil.  Needless to say, I laughed.  Enjoy a small piece of genius here:

Oscar Boyson
New York Filmmaker.  I found out about Oscar's work through Casey Neistat.  His method of storytelling is brilliant and his narration is done with precision.  He also seems to have this old fashion cinema character appeal about him.  Almost as if he should have been born in another era and lived through the 1940's, 50's and 60's. 

See more of his work here:
Vimeo / M2M Iconic 

Honourable mentions: Mum & Dad

• I started writing this on 21/02/2016. I'm so slow. I'll get better at it soon. 
• I own none of the photo or video content. 
• I am aware that all of them are white males. This wasn't deliberate and I'm sorry if it offends anyone. J.K Rowling wrote the books of my childhood and they did more for me than most teachers.

The Stanford Prison Experiment

I trawled through a list compiled by Monster Children called the Ten Best Movies of 2015 You Maybe Missed in search of treat that in fact I had missed. I found that treat, and it was the best movie I watched in 2015.

The Stanford Prison Experiment is the dramatised story of a real experiment that was conducted in the 1970's involving young men from the Stanford area in a simulated prison. Half were guards, half were prisoners. 

Stanford's motto is 'The Wind of Freedom Blows'.  This experiment was pretty far from that.

Bay Cycling Classic

Whilst most people were nursing a hangover, re-writing their new years resolutions or already breaking those resolutions, I was down at Eastern Beach in my second home of Geelong watching Stage One of the 2016 Bay Cycling Classic. 

I arrived during the final 15 minutes of the Men's Support race.  It was a surprise when I recognised two of the riders who finished on the podium who are from the small town of Carisbrook.  We grew up playing football and cricket together.  Funny how they're both cycling competitively now and I can barely muster the effort to go for a walk. Enough of that.

The racing was a great spectacle and I decided to clear my already empty Saturday and Sunday to follow the race to Eastern Gardens and Portarlington respectively.   The following videos are from each of the stages.  I didn't go to the final stage at Williamstown, but I will add the overall race result to the bottom of this.





WEBSITE: 2016 Bay Cycling Classic 


Support Men

1. Kelland O'Brien
2. Shannon Johnson
3. Darcy Woolley

Elite Women
1. Gracie Elvin
2. Lizzie Williams
3. Valentina Scandolara

Elite Men
1. Caleb Ewan
2. Brenton Jones
3. Patrick Shaw


The Force Awakens

School holidays have now started and that only means one thing. Unnecessarily overly packed movie theatres in the middle of the day.  Or more precisely 3pm on a Monday, four days before Christmas.  It may as well have been Christmas Day because I finally had a chance to see the new Star Wars.  Luckily I found a park near the front door of Reading Waurn Ponds and managed to get a seat in the middle of the back row. My heart rate was high. 

 All I want for Christmas is you BB8 (Image Property of Disney/Lucasfilm)

All I want for Christmas is you BB8 (Image Property of Disney/Lucasfilm)

*This post will contain NO spoilers*

J.J. Abrams did it. He really did it, and did it well.  Amongst the many 'feels' and 'chills' I had throughout the viewing, were a lot of easter eggs, cameos, natural humour and throwbacks to the original trilogy (link contains spoilers).  When it was announced that Lucas had sold Star Wars to Disney in 2012, and later that the movies would be revived, I was pretty surly and annoyed.  But now having seen what has been created gives me a new hope.  Both old and new characters all hit their marks, especially the BB8 droid, and delivered enduring performances which will hopefully carry on into Episodes VIII and IX. 

I've never written a movie review before, so I won't try/potentially destroy the movie in my attempts to write one.   Just go see it. I offer a no-money-back guarantee it is worth it.

Lastly, if you're still being a sour grape about the prequels then read this: George Lucas Nearly Wrote A Perfect Prequel Trilogy, He Just Didn't Notice

This is short feature is also fantastic:

Oblivious Maximus LIVE Podcast

After an aggressively windy and hot day, I found myself at The Reverence Hotel in Footscray on Thursday the 17th of December for a live recording of the Oblivious Maximus Podcast.  Hosted in the bandroom, around 50 people grabbed a beer then took a seat to listen on. The panel consisted of creatives who have worked in the music industry in different roles, including Patrick Galvin (graphic designer/illustrator), Callum Preston (professional person/creative), Matt Weston (filmmaker) and Kane Hibberd (photographer), with the host Aaron Osbourne. It was a ripper.

  A creepy photo I took from the back of the room

A creepy photo I took from the back of the room

The discussion covered a range of topics from an aggressive beat down on tertiary education, navigating your way through the industry, the importance of collaboration, how not to be a c-bomb and the accessibility of creative tools in the future. 

Although there was some contention leading up to the event about the lack of diversity in the panel, it was still an interesting and insightful night.  Hopefully there are more of these in the future which cover various angles and points of view.  Nonetheless, I'm glad to have made the trip.

Oblivious Maximus Podcast - | Instagram @obliviousmaximuspodcast
Patrick Galvin  - | Instagram @hologramwarreng
Callum Preston - | Instagram @callumpreston
Kane Hibberd - | Instagram @kanyelens
Matt Weston - | Instagram @mattweston666


Beme App

Beme is a mobile based app that is the brain child of Casey Neistat (movie/video godfather) and Matt Hackett (former VP of Engineering at Tumblr).  After launching in July 2015, the app is one I am yet to really get into, but it is enjoyable nonetheless, especially the 'Global party' which journeys the user accross what others have shared.  For once I actually managed to get in early enough to secure my name as a username too!

Opinions of the app are varied from those who love it and those who find it boring

Neistat is still optimistic about the app and it's future, and I would have to agree it is on the right track. 

Anyway, download it and have a go (Apple only for now).
Or at the very least start watching Casey Neistat's videos because they're 11/10. More here:

Silicon Valley

Short post: A Sunday binge watch of the entire first season of Silicon Valley. Interesting show. I wish I understood more about coding so the context was clearer.


I will attempt to write here with anything work related, interesting or useful.

Unsure how many people will ever read it.  But as for now my most popular region is Russia according to Google Analytics so that is pretty cool! здравствуйте! 

From time to time I'll check back and give this thing a nudge.